Supertraining

Actually,

Posture plays a much larger role in a game like football than total 
strength.  Unfortunetly, your not able to look at how much energy it takes 
someone with poor posture to play the game than someone with ideal posutre, 
and again all I have to simply say is that those who refuse to take the math 
and physics formulas into play will never understand it.  Now in regards to 
to Dr Scherger and my posts....he came into my office and used my 
computer...which was signed in under my name....his was being used at the 
time.

These kids did the max of 140 lb squats toward the end of the season to 
focus more on flexibility and keeping the lodotic curve, not trying to out 
muscle someone at the end of the season.

The fact remains is as a season goes on....guys start to lose components of 
their lower body flexibility and the lordotic curve in the back, especially 
with continued weight training likes squats and deadlifts going heavy.

I would be happy for anyone who wishes to come to our facility and let them 
investigate our metods, X-rays, Orthopedic exams, testimonies from the 
players, coaches, parents, and our equipment along with them bringing their 
own program and system and make comparisons etc and let them decide for 
themselves in a more objective fashion.  A statement such as yours at the 
end of your comment warrants no response on my part.

I agree I am not anyone special becuase of my football or lifting 
history....I used it only as a fact to let others know what I have done and 
seen and found that works best.

Anyone can sell.....we educate........thats when the parents make their 
decisions.  We also state that when we present our mathmatical and physics 
formulas, and who has peered reviewed them, and who certifies our classes, 
that there are many other programs and systems out there, and they should 
investigate all of them before making a decision about their kids.  We 
aren't hiding behind a cloak or stating our system reigns supreme....we just 
state we feel ours is the most scientific and show our proof.  If someone 
showed up with something more profoundly scientific to demonstrate a better 
way....you better believe we'd be the first on board.  This is not about WHO 
is right, this is and always should be about WHAT is right.

Aaron J. Forbes
Director of Player Development
Athletic Spinal Fitness Institute
Ridgefield, Wa

>From: boxeraugust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: [Supertraining] Re: Ideal Spinal Posture:  Equilibrium truer then 
>Balance
>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
>
>This is quite funny,  I was reading this and  thought to myself that Aaron 
>Forbes has been around Scherger for too long as he is now writing just like 
>him. I actually noticed this on a few posts following this ridiculous back 
>talk again.
>
>Aaron, your post regarding the high school football team going 12-0. While 
>that is a wonderful achievement it really does not provide a verification 
>of your system of training the "proper spinal position". I actually chuckle 
>at the part regarding the notion that no one squats over 140lbs. You have a 
>pathetically weak football team. The time that is spent on trying to make a 
>claim about having your or Scherger's ideal of posture and being able to 
>produce bigger impacts when hitting and being able to play better in the 
>the fourth quarter are funny.  The production of a powerful hit and or a 
>driving block are first a matter of proper positioning of the body 
>(technique), body mass, speed, power.and such. The more FUNCTIONAL MASS  
>that a player has the greater the ability to produce force and therefore 
>coupled with proper technique the better able to deliver a large impact or 
>driving block. I know that you and Mr. Scherger are into simple examples so 
>here is one; Your player who
>  Squats a max of 140# and lets say weighs 200# runs into a player who 
>squats 400# and deadlifts 400# and weighs 200# they meet without either 
>having a positional advantage and share the same level of technical skills 
>the stronger player will more than likely win. He is stronger, can generate 
>more power or transmit greater force to the ground which in turn will 
>produce the ability to drive the weaker player backwards. He most likely 
>will be faster as he is stronger and that would provide the ability to move 
>his mass at a faster rate of speed which in turn produces a greater impact 
>than a player of the same weight who is slower. This is really simple 
>physics. The idea of lasting well into the fourth quarter is a state of 
>CONDITIONING not whether one is of proper spinal posture. Your argument 
>that this would affect the players conditioning is poor. The human body 
>adapts very well with what it is presented to work with, if a person who is 
>not of "ideal" posture trains and
>  conditions regularly with that posture the body adapts at being in 
>condition with that posture.
>
>I believe you also mentioned your background as a collegiate football 
>player and your lifting history. This really means nothing. Go into any gym 
>in the country or for that matter some college level strength programs and 
>, even in this day and age, you will see an amazing number of idiotic 
>things being taught to or used by players. If  you are  aware of the 
>strength coaching community you will see that there are some very 
>successful independent strength coaches who are sought out by athletes of 
>various sports to enhance their strength and conditioning. You would also 
>find that  these coaches are very interested in a well balanced athlete who 
>is functionally strong at all joints. They are also interested in making 
>the athlete as strong as possible ie :big deadlift ( or at least some form 
>of one), a big squat ( or at least some form of one) and so forth.
>
>Did you ever stop to think that the only thing in your program that helped 
>was the fact that you made the kids lift in a complex or circuit fashion 
>and that this was actually a form of conditioning that aided them to be 
>better.
>
>It is obvious that your selling a system to parents who like to hear 
>medical terminology to feel good but the fact remains that everywhere else 
>kids are involved in training programs that make them tremendously strong 
>and this leads to better performance on any field of play.
>
>Louie Simmons said it best at a seminar " If you put eleven weak players on 
>the field against eleven strong players the weak ones will get their asses 
>kicked every time."
>
>Damien Chiappini
>Pittsburgh, PA.
>