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Linda, I haven't looked at the westside info for many years so I can't 
say if they are or are not upfront about things. I wanted to point out 
to Anthony the different visions and opinions that are out there. For 
what I do know about the westside principles they certainly can be used 
in a variety of situations, with athletes or general population. Also, 
never, in any of my postings did I back Chek over Simmons, or anyone 
else. If you have a look at the NSCA forums you will see in the 400+ 
posts I've made or the postings and articles I've done for 
sportspecific.com I am in no way inclined to use the gimmicks you 
mentioned and like you am a "dinosaur" type, including PL, OL, Complex's 
and I am probably a bigger Chek/Weider opponent than a Westside opponent.

PS: We'll take up PL, can you US guys then learn some real rugby, 
haven't seen you doing so well at the World's.

Wayne Boesmans
Brisbane, QLD

Linda Schaefer wrote:
>
> Westside Barbell is upfront about things, just ask them.
>
> it's much more difficult to get a straight answer out of the 
> bodybuilding/weider empire actually...and that's what builds the 
> unrealistic expectations in the minds of clients everywhere! that they 
> could do the lifting and diets given and turn into mr. covermale... 
> <rolling eyes> Usually the very hopeful client has got some coverguy 
> in mind you are to magically produce out of less than likely material, 
> and someone not devoted to becoming that, simply isn't going to make 
> it happen, and usually blame the trainer for the shortfall lol. You 
> sure you want to take up fitness industry? <grin>
>
> Powerlifting style training can benefit people, they don't all have to 
> compete, but it's based on the bones of the strength sports, the use 
> of barbells, dumbbells, and chalk. And by the way, I use some Westside 
> style training and I've never done steroids, nor felt I needed 
> them...so you're clearly throwing the baby out with the bathwater!
>
> Side note: from what I saw of Australian PL at worlds over the years, 
> you clearly could USE more PL down there....perhaps it's not a bad 
> niche to take up?
>
> The reality of it all, to try to SIMPLIFY this is there are two 
> schools of thinking overall.
>
> 1. the core is weak in everybody, we must rehab even HEALTHY people. 
> That's Chek etc...the wobbly boards, whoopie cushions, fitballs. etc. 
> I'd also put the fads in here, and there's a great number of 
> them...new 1 every week.
>
> 2. strength can be acquired by anybody, train them like athletes of 
> strength and to their own abilities - that's westside, and well, the 
> rest of us dinosaur types. i.e. the "what works is what has always 
> worked". Basically the "get your hands on the bar and work hard". this 
> includes OL and strongman styles too. Mostly sweat and chalk and 
> consistent work, it's not flashy BUT it will get results...
>
> That's outside of any supplements, steroids, or other devices.
>
> As a trainer, decide where your own opinion lies in those two genre, 
> then follow the guru or training style of your choice...for that's 
> where the great divide is, and the rest of it is simply check-offs on 
> style preference.
>
> I hope that helps make it simpler, it's by no means comprehensive. 
> When I coach, I tailor it to the individual, and I fall under catagory 
> 2. I don't by any stretch require all people to compete powerlifting, 
> but I do teach good form and PL techniques do tend to allow the lifter 
> to move more weight, which generally adds to their success and 
> confidence as athletes. That's my experience and it goes for men and 
> women both by the way. My thinking is still "if Grandma wants to 
> deadlift, give her the chalk and teach her good form, and CHEER HER ON".
>
> The Phantom
> aka Linda Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter
> Denver, Colorado, USA
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wayne Boesmans
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:Supertraining%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Starting out in the Fitness Industry
>
> <<<Anthony,
>
> great to see you taking in all the info.Like I mentioned in my previous
> post there are many names out there that could provide you interesting
> information, Gambetta could be one of those. In terms of Louis Simmons
> being mentioned, the guy is a legend amongst powerlifters, but you have
> to ask yourself how many powerlifters you'll be training in a Sydney
> corporate environment or even moms and dads anywhere in Sydney. Also,
> There are many people in the fitness industry who link Simmons with
> steroid abuse; his training info many be worth looking into, but that
> knowledge need to be taken into account.
>
> Having lived on 2 continents and having fitness qualifications from 3
> continents I can also tell you taht many o the names you will run into
> through the internet (mostly American) will not get you far with CEC's
> for fitness Australia. Filex will help you there ( couldn't make it this
> year) and I personally look for courses that will give me cec's for at
> least 2 or 3 of my certifications, just to avoid going overboard on
> unnecessary expenses.
>
> Wayne Boesmans
> www.physicalforte.com
> Brisbane, QLD>>>
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