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--- On Wed, 5/21/08, phillip g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: phillip g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [Supertraining] Max heart rate
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 2:16 PM
> Without knowing anything else about his client, the 220-age
> will give him a good general rule of thumb, Having the
> client perform a true Max VO2 test isn't practical
> unless the client has access to a physician (assuming
> he's over 35) to perform the test. 

Physicians and Cardiologists do not do Max VO2 tests.   All testing on cardiac 
patients are done at sub-maximal effort. A step test can be done very easily in 
any gym with a treadmill, rowing machine or exercise bike.  All it takes is a 
way to control the speed or resistance of the machine, a heart rate monitor, 
stop watch and some paper.   As I mentioned in my previous post, if the trainer 
is concerned about the cardiac status of the client, the client should undergo 
a stress test before starting an exercise program.



A submax VO2 will
> give a better estimation of his true max, but assuming his
> client is like 75% of the population, which is to say he is
> a recreational athlete at best, 220-age will be accurate
> within 5-10 bpm, which for general training purposes will
> be effective. If he prefers, the Karvonan method works well
> too.
How do you do a submax VO2 if you do not know the VO2 max? The true Karvonan 
method requires that you know both the real maximum HR as well as the true 
resting HR.  HR at VO2 max = Maximum HR.  The Karvonan method is meant to 
estimate percentage of VO2 max training.

Ralph Giarnella MD 
Southington Ct USA 

> Phillip Garrison,CSCS
> Mesa, Arizona
> 
> 
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:58:59
> -0700Subject: RE: [Supertraining] Max heart rate
> 
> Hello C. Chaney,I'm not completely sure on this one,
> but think that it is just as subjectiveas a finger print
> and can be found out or better estimated via a VO2M testas
> I seem to recall reading one of Swains books [I think the
> simplifiedmetabolic equations] where there was a comparison
> or equation relating VO2Mto HRM.The 220 was based off of an
> estimation of an infants hear rate at birth, sothe HRM of
> 220-Age is a good generalized estimation; however, there
> havebeen some who identified the 220 for males and 226 for
> females. Both the ACSM and NSCA have accepted and published
> the HRR or Karvonen[(220-age-RHR)*(55-90%) + RHR] method for
> CV prescription and have grownaway from the HMR
> [(220-Age)*(55-90%)]. NASM has flipped from the HRR[1998]
> back to that of the HRM [more recent times] for
> cardiovasculartraining as well, so this is one of the items
> that can also create someadditional confusion as well. I
> could not get a straight answer from NASMfor the reasoning
> other than "It's just better." I know that it
> is a smallnumber variation, but what is your opinion of the
> methods of HRM vs. HRR? Thank you,Geoffrey B Miller, BBA,
> HFI, CSCS, CPT, SPNHemet, Ca.
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Supertraining] Max
> heart rateI had a client ask a strange question the other
> day. His question was "what is the max heart rate that
> a person can maintain and sustain will working cardio
> conditioning until the body will shut down." My
> educated guess was 220. But know that the body will
> voluntarily slow down with the fatigue and lactic acid
> overcoming the person. Has there been any studies or a
> definite answers for this type of performance.Thank you for
> you time on reading my question.========================