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Hi Linda.

   When I was about 36 years old, a neighbor lady needed me to push her car 
to jump start it. It was a car that didn't push normally, even with the 
clutch depressed. I pushed the car, running with it 3 times in a row, using 
up about 250 yards. I was way out of breath and my  heart was pounding like 
crazy and I felt woozy.
   This being said,  I questioned to myself if it was possible to kill 
oneself by accident doing such things even if  there was no known evidence 
of heart disease. It took me a long while to feel normal after this stunt.
   In one of the posts, it was suggested the body would simply shut down if 
overtaxed beyond this point? It surely seems at this absolute maximum level 
of effort, pushing to ones ultimate limits, each person is taking a big 
chance?

   Carson Wood
   Westbrook, ME USA.

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Subject: RE: [Supertraining] Max heart rate


> In the example I posted on another posting, the athlete was 24 and had a 
> cardiac event at 182 beats a minute.  He was in good health and cleared 
> for the experiment.  According to the formula, he should have a threshold 
> at 196 beats a minute.  Clearly the formula was a failure in his case.
>
> The Phantom
> aka Linda Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter
> Denver, Colorado, USA
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> From: phillip g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> There is nothing misused by the formula I posted. 220-age is the maximum 
> hear rate that most people can achieve without significant cardiac events. 
> Without knowing anything else about his clients medical history, it's the 
> best formula to use as a predictor of cardiac output. Most individuals do 
> NOT have a MHR significantly higher than that formula, and I'd challenge 
> to provide eveidence to the contrary. MHR will vary between people, and 
> athletes who have trained in aerobic training extensively over many years 
> will not see a significant decrease in MHR over time and will often 
> maintain the same peak MHR throughout their training life ( a MHR similar 
> to a young adult male). But the segment of the population that trains 
> regularly and intensly for long periods of time is a small portion of the 
> population. For the vast majority of the population, the 220-age is a good 
> guideline.
>
> Phillip Garrison,CSCS
> Mesa,AZ
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 21 May 
> 2008 10:55:15 -0700Subject: RE: [Supertraining] Max heart rate
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> Unfortunately the formula cited by Mr. Garrison has been misused by 
> trainers for years. The formula was devised by two cardiologists who had 
> done studies with regards to stress tests on a treadmill back in the 60s. 
> They were on their way to a conference to present their findings and 
> wanted to be able to tell the audience what the target max heart rate 
> should be when testing cardiac patients on a stress test. They came up 
> with the formula which is often cited by trainers and misused. Most 
> individuals have a maximum HR which is much higher than what you will find 
> using that formula.Maximum heart rate will vary between individuals 
> irrespective of age. Two individuals the same age will most likely have 
> different maximum HR.It will also vary depending on the type of activity 
> being performed. The more muscle mass being used for a given activity will 
> yield a higher maximum HR in the same individualMost people rarely achieve 
> their maximum hr in training since the effort is generally very d
> ifficult. There are devised step tests for various activities designed to 
> help an individual reach their max. Perhaps the best way is in competition 
> when a person is not thinking about how they feel but are near the finish 
> line. At 55 my maximum observed HR was 188 and was observed while using a 
> HRM at the end of a hard bicycle race. My maximum at age 64 was 175 and 
> was observed also during competitive rowing at the end of a 2 K TT. Ralph 
> Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA --- On Wed, 5/21/08, phillip g 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> From: phillip g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: 
> RE: [Supertraining] Max heart rate> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:18 PM> Max heart rate is 220-age. So for 
> a 40 year old man the max> heart rate is 180> > Phillip Garrison, CSCS> 
> Mesa, AZ> > ======================> To: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 21 May 
> 2008 16:22:03> +0000Subject: [Supertraining] Max heart rate> > I had a 
> client ask a
> strange question the other day. His> question was "what is the max heart 
> rate that a person> can maintain and sustain will working cardio 
> conditioning> until the body will shut down." My educated guess was> 220. 
> But know that the body will voluntarily slow down with> the fatigue and 
> lactic acid overcoming the person. Has there> been any studies or a 
> definite answers for this type of> performance.Thank you for you time on 
> reading my> question.C. ChaneyLong Beach,CA, USA[Mod: Please don't> forget 
> to sign your post with your full name - many thanks]> > 
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