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[Supertraining] Re: Oscar Pistorius - a considerable advantage? carruthersjam Mon Jul 14 01:25:40 2008
Below is a summary of replies from the Biomch-L: Dear all, As a member of the team conducting the first biomechanical tests with Oscar Pistorius in Cologne last November, I am posting this in behalf of our group. With large interest we followed the conversation in this community before and after our tests. The discussion about possible test regimes last summer helped us a lot to design our protocol after the IAAF asked us to analyse Oscar Pistorius' sprinting mechanics in the phase of maximal sprinting velocity. Due to reasons of confidentiality we decided not to participate in the online discussion. We felt it was not appropriate to publish data before a final decision was made (data, which has been made accessible for public was neither published by us nor was the publication authorized by our institute). We are very pleased to see the large interest in the community. A short version of the study is submitted for publication in the Journal of Sports Technology. We are currently working on the reviewer comments. The article will probably be published this summer. We are planning to publish a more elaborate article later. Thank you very much for participating in this discussion and for sharing thoughts and ideas! Wolfgang Potthast ===================== We, the scientific group that has refuted the claims of the IAAF, believe that it is relevant to make the following points based on recent commentary from the Biomch-L list regarding the CAS's ruling to overturn the IAAF's decision that banned Oscar Pistorius from international able-bodied competition: 1. The work conducted by our group was done pro bono. None of us received compensation for our research or participation in the hearing. The legal team selected our group from many other willing scientists. All of us were screened and cleared for any potential conflicts of interest by the lawyers. In addition, Rodger Kram and Hugh Herr were judged to not have any conflict of interest by the CAS court. 2. Our group of scientists was asked to evaluate the scientific claims made by the IAAF that resulted in the banning of Oscar Pistorius. 3. We evaluated the claims by using data from the literature, as well as our own data collected at Rice University. 4. As Ton has stated, this ruling applies only to Oscar and to the Cheetah prosthetics, thus any new prosthetic running technology will have to be re-evaluated before being allowed in IAAF competition. 5. We plan to publish the data that we have collected in a peer- reviewed journal as soon as possible. 6. We hope that the interest in the Oscar Pistorius case will result in a number of further studies into questions regarding the biomechanical and energetic effects of prosthetics on human walking and running. Our group includes Drs. Hugh Herr, Peter Weyand, Rodger Kram, Matthew Bundle, Craig McGowan, and Alena Grabowski. Alena Grabowski, PhD Postdoctoral Associate _____________________________________ Dr. Wolfgang Potthast German Sport University Cologne Institute of Biomechanics and Orthopaedics This is an very interesting discussion. I am also eager to see the data used as the evidence to support Oscar Pistorius. What we need to demonstrate in this case is whether Oscar Pistorius has advantages over himself with an able-body, instead of whether he has advantages over other able-bodied athletes. Could we scientifically demonstrate that for sure now? If we could not, then I just don't think he should be allowed to compete with able-bodied athletes. Bing Yu, PhD =========================== Dear All, Following up on the thoughts of Dr. Willems and others, the prosthetic limbs that Oscar Pistorius puts to successful use are purpose-built. They are wonderfully effective at running, but may not fair so well at dancing, jumping, skipping, stair climbing, driving an automobile, pushing a stroller, taking an autumn stroll through the falling leaves, fishing in a stream, shoveling snow, etc. As humanists we all marvel at Oscar's strengths, of character, and of athleticism. As biomechanists, we may also marvel at the ability to optimize sophisticated materials for a single-purpose. But as biomechanists, we must acknowledge, how far away we really are from duplicating the marvels of function of the human body. Most athletes train to excel at a relatively finite number of events... just like Mr. Pistorius. However, those that are able-bodied, routinely retain the ability to accomplish activities of daily living. Perhaps the concept of defining success in building a "replacement of an original part of the body which is absent" is the biomechanical question. Thanks, Kevin Kevin A. Ball PhD Assistant Professor University of Hartford ======================== I agree with Chris and Ton that the issues here are not biomechanical. They are about what constitutes fair competition and hence the issues are about the ethics of sport. Can I remind readers of the e-mail Chris sent to the list last year http://flyingjumper.com/homeflash.html. Here are a pair of devices that are not all that dissimilar from modern energy returning prostheses but designed to be worn by an able bodied person. How would the IAAF react to an able bodied athlete turning up for competition wearing these? From the video there is a distinct suggestion that high jump records might be at stake (or maybe not if you subtract the height of the device from the height of the jump). To my mind if you want to introduce aids whether they be prostheses or wheelchairs into sport you have a different competition (not necessarily superior or inferior, just different). The simplest example of this is that if you allow a crutch during a high jump competition then you will end up with the pole vault. Which brings us back to the new Speedo swimwear - should all athletes be required to perform naked? Richard Richard Baker PhD CEng CSci Director Gait CCRE/Gait Analysis Service manager ==================== Jamie Carruthers Wakefield, UK
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