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Re: [Entombed] hold the torch high reed dcl Tue Feb 21 09:00:44 2012

ok ok, guys, u all seem to be the best people to ask here. 
I need a honest opinion pleas. so here goes.
just like any one else out there I do have ideas of games floating in my hed. 
from the types of games like grant theft auto, and to termenator salvation. my 
question is this. if sighted programmers can do it. why can I who are not 
sighted do the same for my non sighted folks.
question. I am a windows tech. litterally I can install it with my eyes close. 
just from pure memory. open up a pc case. to get to that nasty harddrive. and 
connect it up to a different pc if need be to get some ones data rescued. and 
much more.
all I am trying to ask by mensioning all this is this.
I do no absolutely nothing about programming games., I hurd about veriables and 
constance. but that's about it.
my question is this. where can I go to get the easyest way to lern how to make 
these type of games as well as the likes of entombed?
My gole is to help people in life. heck if I had the no how, |I would gladly 
help jayson out, with programmingm skills and funding.
I have a passion for what I do.
and If I can help others why not.
pleas do not get me wrong here.
I do not  mean to sound arrogant or anythin like that.
|I just need to ask all these things so I can get the best answer possible.
where do I go and what do I do. from here. I no its not a thing one can lern 
over night but, I possess intuitivity, stubberness, and determination. when my 
pc crashes because I applied a wrong tweek I wil spend hours trying to 
backtrack my steps to see where I whent wrong.
this attetude, is I am assuming a fondemental must have if u want to be a 
programmer, because sorting out bugs can be a pain.
sorry if I rambled but I am sure you guys understand now.
I would love it. if I could personally make a game just as good as the sighted 
folks have. why can we as blind folks not be entytled to the same plesures.
I am sure that if we stand together we can make a difference.
so to sum up.
1. where is the best sorce for me to lern about programming. audio games.
2. if I have limited funds right now where do I start and how do I do it.
3. because there are so many do it your self guides out ther, but they all 
asume you know a little of prograqmmig they are useless. thuss, where do I go 
from here.
4. if  I with all your guys help, I get it right for in some way to get hold of 
ways to do programming and learn how to make audio games.
how do I go about testing and beta testing it. and wil u guys help me test it.
thanks very much for any info.

From: dark 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Entombed] hold the torch high

Hi Joel. 

You asked "who in their right mind wouldn't want to make these games 

The simple answer I'm afraid is every single company concerned with prophet.

Entombed is one of the most successful audio games having sold more than 500 
copies. In terms of audio games that's amazingly good, the average is about 

For mainstream companies such as Square, blizard and capcom however, that is a 
drop in the ocean, they are only concerned with thousands of sales and what 
will get them those thousands. 

Indeed, when I spoke to Capcom Uk myself this is the response I got, that 
because (according to them), it was only me that would value access changes, 
they refused to do it for one person, the same would be equally true for 500 
people, there just aren't enough customers to make a difference to the almighty 
prophet margin, certainly not enough for the mainstream developers of games to 
justify adding access features or even creating accessible games in the first 

While I believe this may eventually change in 10 or 20 years time when a 
greater proportion of those gamers who grew up in the 1970's and 80's start 
losing their vision and becoming blind, thus creating more of a markit for the 
games, it will still take a heck of a lot more people interested in access than 
we currently have to make a difference to the mainstream industry. 

Then of course, don't forget that the people in! capcom and nintendo who are 
actually responsable for programming! the games, aren't the same as who make 
the decisions about what gets made. Nintendo Uk were a lot nicer than Capcom 
when I asked about menue access on the wii, however there was nothing even they 
could do to propose a developement change even though they worked in the same 
company, because all the actual developement work went on in some undisclosed 
location in the middle of Japan under a giant mountain base guarded by robitic 
Samurai killer bees! ---- well maybe not that! inaccessible, but you see the 

While i applaud the attempts of people like the game accessibility special 
interest group to promote audio games to the mainstream industry, I'm not 
myself confident of how likely they are to have an effect. 

personally, I think it more likely that access will come through the growing 
industry of independent game developers, close nit player communities and 
online participation. 

Having worked for audiogames.net now for close to five years, I've seen a lot 
of new indi developers get involved in game access. 7-128 software, jeremy 
Kaldobski and indeed Jason Alan himself, some very talented developers of indi 
games have spent their time developing new and interesting accessible stuff 
just for the shear challenge and fun, or because they find it a worthwhile 
thing to do, irrispective of the prophet margin. 

Then of course, there are the many occasions when, like you did with this line 
software, a developer has been contacted to make access changes to their games. 

niels bauer and the smugglers series (smugglers 5 will be accessible), a hole 
range of muds and mmorpgs, brouser stratogy games, interactive fiction, 
gamebooks, and the list goes on! 

With screen readers able to read text, this offers a handy way in to access in 
a number of games, as does sapi output for a game display. indeed there are now 
beginning to be some quite legitimate sets of resources kicking around the net 
to provide information to developers on how to create accessible games, one 
very good example is www.blindcomputergames.com, an informational site setup by 
the 7-128 crew. 

As to entombed, myself the way forward i could really see with the game is the 
inclusion of readable text and maybe an ascii map on screen, so that it is 
playable (like JEremy Kaldobski's games), by fully sighted gamers just as 

There are however communities of people devoted to gamebooks, roguelikes, and 
other games that do not rely upon a major graphical display for their appeal, 
and those sorts of people would probably very much like entombed if there was a 
way of interacting with the game that could be done through their reading of 
text, rather than, ---- as unfortunately would happen currently if a sighted 
person with no screen reader or knolidge of synths downloaded the game, through 
microsoft sam or Anna, which are both probably enough to put off anyone from 
playing, especially if they didn't understand that these voices were part of 
windows and were a variable option, and thought they were implicit to how the 
game worked. 

if onscreen text were included in Entombed however, it could be advertised to 
players of muds, text mmorpgs, roguelikes etc as a game they may be interested 
in, sinse as we all know it's well fit to stand on it's own merrits as a game 
aside from any access concerns, ----- which probably is why it's had such a 
major impact and gained such a following. 

Beware the Grue! 


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